I rather resent that I am now being accused of intentionally distorting comments.[b said:Quote[/b] (imduff @ Oct. 18 2004,7:59)]Any implication of my comments, as being anything other than objective questioning, is an effort to misunderstand and/or distort my comments.
[b said:Quote[/b] ] I do not believe that this was in any way directed specifically towards you. Be objective, not emotional.
Just so[b said:Quote[/b] (schloaty @ Oct. 25 2004,1:04)]Bug, he is be objective.... He objects to being treated as such.... sorry...couldn't miss the opportunity...
mainly that fact that not everyone knows what is rare and what isnt[b said:Quote[/b] (PDX @ Oct. 14 2004,12:59)]The other side of this issue though seems to be why some sources charge extremely high prices for a plant that maybe isn't all that rare? I have to wonder what the reasoning is when a vendor* offers a plant for $100.00+?
To take this thought a step further, there are several well-known plants and cultivars that originated in the field. This list includes: Dr.Mellichamp's 'Moore's Melody,' 'Adrian Slack,' Slack's 'Claret' and 'Burgundy,' antho-free purp 'heterophylla,' antho-free purp luteola from FL and AL, antho-free flava from GA and NC, antho-free minor. That's all that comes to mind right now but, the list is probably longer. This list spans more abundant times with Slack to today. The field will seemingly always be a source for unique specimens that growers will utilize. However, restraint should be practiced to keep diversity and evolutionary forces progressing. Ideally, some kind of harmony needs to exist between growers and conservationists; whereby, growers will respect the laws and efforts of conservationists to keep the wild populations progressing, and conservationists make efforts to have unique material available to growers.[b said:Quote[/b] (imduff @ Oct. 18 2004,7:59)]You made me think of plants like the leuco 'Tarnok,' antho-free jonesii, antho-free leuco, and most recently, antho-free alata. All, unique plants that were selectively removed from a site for introduction into cultivation.
This is a great point and if I might borrow/elaborate upon this example. S. luteola: This plant has been found in a couple sites, as you mentioned. A well known (and some consider well respected) grower is reported to have stripped an entire site in Apalachicola and later sold off what he took. This was an act of poaching and greed and was totally unnecessary. ABG on the other hand got legal permission to aquire material from the wild (I do not know what site.) They have cultivated plants and gotten a stable population in their greenhouses. This year they cross pollinated a number of clones and are hoping to be able to provide plants out in the future. I also have rumors that ICPS might be supplied with some clones for the same purpose. This is a much better outcome IMHO than the proior act. Sure they both got the plants into circulation but ABGs actions did not compromise any sites. Admittedly it has tekken them time to accomplish the same end but as has been said before, growing these plants are great for teaching patience[b said:Quote[/b] (imduff @ Oct. 25 2004,8:09)]To take this thought a step further, there are several well-known plants and cultivars that originated in the field. This list includes: Dr.Mellichamp's 'Moore's Melody,' 'Adrian Slack,' Slack's 'Claret' and 'Burgundy,' antho-free purp 'heterophylla,' antho-free purp luteola from FL and AL, antho-free flava from GA and NC, antho-free minor.... The field will seemingly always be a source for unique specimens that growers will utilize. However, restraint should be practiced to keep diversity and evolutionary forces progressing.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Ideally, some kind of harmony needs to exist between growers and conservationists; whereby, growers will respect the laws and efforts of conservationists to keep the wild populations progressing, and conservationists make efforts to have unique material available to growers.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]My question is why are the majority of these so tough to track down? I have not seen any of the Slack plants offered in quite some time. I realize they were "grown" in England but it's been many many years and these are still impossible to locate here.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Does anyone here know the costs involved in tissue culturing a plant? I'm wondering what the complete price is along with how many plants you'd be required to purchase. I'm curious as to whether or not it would be "worth it" to produce a run of any of these plants?
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Now that I've steered my post towards tissue culture (and if anyone's still reading ) is it true that flava have been quite difficult to culture? I'm a little puzzled by just what is currently available via tissue culture. I would think a red tube flava would be well received?
[b said:Quote[/b] ]It's my understanding that a plant can't be propagated, if it's patented.
Actually it is the other way around. Sarracenia 'Cronus' (R.Sacilotto) is the registered cultivar name (Registered 29. 7. 2002) and is sold under the trademark name of "Titan".[b said:Quote[/b] (Pyro @ Oct. 26 2004,10:05)]If I recall, S. leuco 'Titan' is patented (as S. lueco 'Chronos') but it is in TC. Though this might be a special case.