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Cobra Lily HELP!!

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Hello Growers,

Thank you all for the help on my nepenthes :)

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But I am now getting ready to order some Cobra Lillie's and need a little help.. As I stated a while back I live in Southern California (San Diego, CA) and I want to grow these beautiful plants outside. I hear that these plants are very hard to grow but I also hear that they are very easy (Sarracenia Northwest). I've seen a couple videos where they are growing in 100+ degrees and the water levels are hard. Just not really sure how I should start so I want to hear other ways people have been successful. Anything helps!!

Happy Growing
-Kenny
 
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I use live sphag in a large terracotta bowl, water once or twice a day depending on how hot it is, the bowl sits permanently in about 1-4 inches of water depending on how much evaporation there is during the day. I grow in partial sun but move things into the shade when the day temps start hitting 90+ then back into the partial sun when the day temps cool back down into the 80s. This works for me with either mountain or coastal types but for me my mountain type is more resilient under these conditions, however my coastal used to grow much faster and would send out lots of runners but would struggle when it got too hot.
 
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I grow the mountain variety which is far easier and more tolerant than the coastal variety in my conditions. The reverse may apply for your conditions, I'm sure someone will know more about that than myself. I grow them in a low, wide, undrained ceramic dish in a mix of chopped lfs, peat, turface and Grow Stones with a topper of live sphagnum. They are left in full sun all day even with temps climbing towards 100 degrees. Hot day time temps don't seem to bother the mountain plants as long as they get night drops down into the 60's. On nights above 65 degrees or so I set a large chunk of RO ice on top of the moss beside the plants. This seems to sufficiently drop the temperature for them.
 
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There is no physical difference that anybody has documented. Taxonomy is based on visible traits (even though you may need a microscope for some of them). So the botanical term "variety" (varietas) is not being applied correctly. Applying "variety" would mean that there is a type species so if there are two varieties "coastal" and "mountain" the there would have to be a species type thus:

Darlingtonia californica (???)
Darlingtonia californica var litaloris (coastal)
Darlingtonia californica var montana (mountain)

As it stands now there is only one recognized form viridiflora (anthocyanin free plants, green/yellow flowers), thus we have
Darlingtonia californica
Darlingtonia californica form viridiflora aka Darlingtonia 'Othello'

Form viridiflora is assigned the rank of form because the only significant difference mainly is in flower color. Other plants in this species that have the fully functional anthocyanin gene may not produce red in the pitchers but still produce red flowers. In addition to not having enough significant physical differences form viridiflora is a sub-population of a larger population and is not separated geographically to rank as a variety much less a subspecies.

If there are enough physical differences to warrant a varietas I'm sure McPherson and Schnell would have included it in their publications.

There are different populations of Darlingtonia that have adapted or been naturally selected to grow in the climatic conditions of these populations. The separation geographically and chronologically is not distant enough for significant differentiation to occur to warrant variety or subspecies ranking.

http://www.sarracenia.com/faq/faq5168.html
Q: Darlingtonia: various types

A: There is only one species, Darlingtonia californica Torr. There are no subspecies or varieties. However, at one site in the Sierra Nevada, on private land the details of which I cannot tell you too much about (except for this trip report), there is a small subpopulation of Darlingtonia californica that is anthocyanin-free. This plant has been given the botanical name Darlingtonia californica f. viridiflora B.Rice, by yours truly. See McPherson & Schnell (2011) for the original publication. This plant also goes by the cultivar name Darlingtonia 'Othello', also coined by yours truly on an earlier date. Every now and then I have distributed seed of this plant to seed banks, but I do not have any now, so don't ask---Thank you, thankyouverymuch.

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Thank you! How do you tell the difference between the coastal and mountain varieties ?


There is no physical difference between the 2 forms. You'll first have to figure out which form will do best in your climate then find a vendor who carries which ever plant you settle on. There are several vendors who specialize in one form or the other.
 
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