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Eh, 19 pages is moderate. There have been several well over 100 pages.....
Still have yet to acquire a campanulata, but I've got a couple hybrids involving the species here and there, most notably my merrilliana x campanulata which is pitchering mainly on the basal at the moment
N. merrilliana x campanulata by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr

Only the young pitchers have the real campy shape; mature pitchers are fat and tubby, and retain only the ghosts of campanulata in pitcher profile, peristome detail, and of course color.
 
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I'm still searching for a Merrilliana x Campanulata myself. I got a Campanulata x Maxima (from AW if I remember correctly) last year and it's been doing great. However the pure Campanulata is not. I suspect it has to do with the temps, too low in the winter.
 
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The lowest was about 20 C (68 F). My last chance is to try if it likes room temp and a bit higher humidity like my cephalotus.
 
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The lowest was about 20 C (68 F). My last chance is to try if it likes room temp and a bit higher humidity like my cephalotus.

20 degrees as min? that sounds more than sufficient. And what it drops to in the limestone cliffs of Mulu, where they grow. So I don't think temps are the problem.
 
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Thanks Red Lowii. Thought they need warmer nights as it's an Ultra Lowlander.

I really am lost here as to what is it that Campanulata does not like in my conditions. Too high humidity? It's always over 70 %, at night close to 90 - 100 %. I had it in LFS/perlite of about 1:1 ratio. Lighting is 12 h/day. Other neps in that terrarium love the conditions. Oh and the daytime temps are max. 28 C controlled by the heating system (a bit higher in the summer when in my appt can be 28 so 29-30 in the terrarium). I have also lost Bellii twice and I have no idea about that either. It's also an UL.

The key may be understanding why the leaves show yellowing in the center part, like in this pic:

N_Camp2.jpg
 
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I have aquired some lime stone and have planted the Campanulata in a new pot with limestone around the roots as well as some live and chopped sphagnum. Time will tell if the plant likes it or not. I have also moved it from my lowland terrarium into a smaller one with my cephalotus. Room temp, a bit higher humidity than usual. Fingers crossed.
 

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I'm hoping my BE N. campanulata will flower soon. My clone has very uncharacteristically long tendrils and slim pitchers, which I haven't seen in many plants of this species.

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And my red MT clone. I've had it longer than the BE clone but it seems pretty comfortably tiny (although I do feed it).
 

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Thanks Red Lowii. Thought they need warmer nights as it's an Ultra Lowlander.

I really am lost here as to what is it that Campanulata does not like in my conditions. Too high humidity? It's always over 70 %, at night close to 90 - 100 %. I had it in LFS/perlite of about 1:1 ratio. Lighting is 12 h/day. Other neps in that terrarium love the conditions. Oh and the daytime temps are max. 28 C controlled by the heating system (a bit higher in the summer when in my appt can be 28 so 29-30 in the terrarium). I have also lost Bellii twice and I have no idea about that either. It's also an UL.

The key may be understanding why the leaves show yellowing in the center part, like in this pic:

N_Camp2.jpg

Hey Pete, I agree with Red Lowii that temps sound good; N. campanulata does well at pretty average room temperature. I think that part of the problem is media composition and moisture. Your plant might be overpotted (so it stays too wet) compounded with a mix with too much moss (too acidic and not enough air). That being said, I've found the thing that sets back Nepenthes the most is too much disturbance (especially too much fussing and repotting). How did the roots look when you repotted it?

Also, it seems that the term "ultra-lowland" has been catching on for the past few years but I still don't really understand what it means when people claim N. campanulata is one. Growing N. campanulata, which grows on cliffs well above the forest canopy (~400 masl), is a very different deal than 0 meter peat swamp species like N. bicalcarata. N. bellii is notorious for hating disturbance, but I've never personally grown this species.
 
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What do people think about these two pitchers? There is a background story to the two pitchers which I will mention at a later stage, but in terms of N.campanulata pitcher morphology, what do people think about these two? do they appear to be pure species?

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What do people think about these two pitchers? There is a background story to the two pitchers which I will mention at a later stage, but in terms of N.campanulata pitcher morphology, what do people think about these two? do they appear to be pure species?

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By pitchers shape, yes. The spots on that first one though - looks like the campy x max I've got from Wistuba, colour-wise. Someone in the hobby has a completely red-pitchered campy too. I'll try to dig up the pics, as I think it might have been on another forum.

What's the story?

I want all these campies :spazz:
 
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I would say this camp has different type of coloration pattern then maxima or the camp maxima hybrid. This camp has splotching that is seen running throughout the pitcher but maxima has more defined markings.
(not my plant)
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By pitchers shape, yes. The spots on that first one though - looks like the campy x max I've got from Wistuba, colour-wise. Someone in the hobby has a completely red-pitchered campy too. I'll try to dig up the pics, as I think it might have been on another forum.

What's the story?

I want all these campies :spazz:

Hi thez_yo

Essentially the reason i posted those photos, is that to my knowledge recently some N. campanulata seedlings were sold off by a German grower who is known for having some very unique/one off clones of every nepenthes you can imagine, and these N. campanulata's were no exception. Unfortunately the seedlings sold out before I even knew about them being offered for sale.

As raiseitup01, has mentioned I do not believe maxima is present in these plants, though as you have pointed out the colouration/pigmentation/speckling is very much at odds with the N. campanulata clones we are used to seeing in cultivation and those that Chien took insitu photos of.

Whilst i can only speculate about the origin of these plants, I do believe they came into cultivation the very same way that all campanulata clones came into cultivation, from seed collected by Chien. From what I understand, all TC and seed grown material came from this seed collection event, possibly even all from the very same flower.

The pitcher morphology looks to be inline with that of campanulata and I have visited the habitat myself and apart from N. faizaliana, fusca and veitchii, there isn't much else that is known to grow around Mulu that could have hybridised with camp and if a hybrid event did occur at some point, more of the other parent's genes would be expressed. So this leads me to think that potentially the mainly green pitchering clones that we are familiar with in cultivation, with the exception of Hardy's plant, may not necessarily encapsulate the full spectrum of N. campanulata variation OR there could be residual genetics present, that may only express themselves through cross breeding. A bit like Exotica's red truncata breeding program, where the original parents did not really exhibit red colouration but the offspring did and subsequent re-crossing of the red flush clones led to a second generation grex of truncata's exhibiting these red flush traits far more than the first generation.
 
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After reading virtually every post I could find on growers who grew N. campanulata well, and those who made mistakes, and relating it back to what I witnessed in the habitat, I think I have narrowed down the do's and don't of growing N. campanulata cultiavation:

1 - In the wild N.campanulata grows on limestone vertical rock, often haning down from icicles of limestone.
I have seen success achieved from a few growers with a variety of media, ranging from burnt earth, to sphagnum.
As it naturally grows in limestone, I think a mix of something that is a little more Alkaline, with a pH of around 8 (limestone dust) could be good practice.
Note that both the Mulu habitat and the original Gunung Ilas Bungaan habitat in east Kalimantan, both were limestone outcrops and N. campanulata grows
around 300metres on both of these. It does not grow on the ground or lower than that altitude.

2 - Being a few hundred metres on the side of the vertical rock, air circulation must be good, and therefore two factors are critical, the media must occasionally dry out between watering and yes a fan is probably a good idea.

3 - Due to the good air flow that I mentioned in point 2, the plants likely never overheat or get to the same level as lowlanders like ampullaria, raff and bical do, just a few hundred metres below. Yet being at 300metres-500metres, it is still low enough for the temperature to be considered warm and i think this is where the confusion has arisen and it mistakenly has been grouped into the Lowlander category. Therefore it should NOT be treated as a typical lowlander and typical lowland conditions will not suffice long term. It should be treated as one of those unique species with specific requirements, like pervillei, vieillardii & madagascariensis

4 - Whilst the media should dry out between watering, for good growth humidity fluctuations/swings that the plant experiences daily in the wild, should be simulated. So I think it is best practice to not grow it in 99% humidity, 99% of the time, like you would do with N. bicalcarata/ N. ampullaria. Swings are recommended. I have seen it grown successfully in constantly low humidity by one grower, but by his account it grew very slow. So I think a good balance of humidity fluctuations are recommended.

5 - And finally, the plants that grew in the wild, received maybe a few hours of direct light, mostly they were sheltered by the limestone and the mist, so full on direct sunlight is not recommended, reports of leaves yellowing out and poor pitcher production have been reported in such conditions. Dappled or filtered light is probably best practice to simulate what they would experience in the wild.
 
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