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nepenthes gracilis

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Where can you obtain this plant. I have seen some pictures of it and i would like it next year. Thanks. If anyone knows where I can obtain the "Giant" Variety of flytrap that is also appreciated. Nep.G.
 
Royal Red comes from Australia. I am not aware of any retailers in the US carrying it. There is also a PBR number on it, so propagating it without permission and paying royalties is illegal I believe. Probably why you don't see it offered often. Most of the giant forms also originate in Australia.. primarily from Triffid Park who have selected and bred many many commercial varieties for size and vigor.

I don't know if the guys here are planning to offer these varieties in the near future.. If not I can add a few flytraps to my next shipments from Australia. That will most likely be in the spring.

Tony
 

nepenthes gracilis

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Illegal big deal! There just plants.
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I know thier special but you should really be quiet about that if it is illegal. So you don't get in trouble. nep.G. Thanks Tony I really want one next year!
 
How can you say that so casually?!
There not just plants.........forget it i couldn't even be bothered explaining myself.
 
O yeah I should also mention that some of the reason probably has to do with difficulties of importing plants that have a dormant period from the southern hemisphere to the northern..The plants get really confused and there is a time period the plants don't do well while they are switching the seasons around.

Tony

(I am not even going to go into why I would never propagate a protected plant illegally)
 

nepenthes gracilis

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Obviosly! Too complicated. But I really didn't mean Illegal Casualy Mondo. I meant big deal because if there are alot of RRVFT's then it shouldn't or would be a big deal since there is a large population that a FEW Plants are being propagated it wouldn't really be that big of as deal. So I should have put that in better words.Thanks for noticing. Nep.G.
 

unknownclown

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Boy you aren't kidding I've been looking all over for this plant to help you out and I can't find it anywhere. But I'll keep looking
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RamPuppy

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let's just not talk about the legality, illegality, or propigation of those plants here guys... I wouldn't want a patent holder to stroll along this site, and get pissy with jeff and Phil... I know it's a longshot, but let's be respectfull of it any how...

And if you patent holders do stroll along, your a piss ant for putting a patent on a plant. (In my own humble and non petflytrap affilliated position!)
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unknownclown

BoooOOOOooooo!!!!!
Yup I am also with you on this one RamPuppy 100% Grade A Piss Ant! Unless of course they see this and decide to share thier plants with us and make a few bucks
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C'mon now don't be stingy!
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Why not put a patent on a plant you spend years developing something that is different from anything else on the market?? It cost alot of time, effort and money to develop something new and unusual. Think about the generations of plants that need to be raised and the numbers of plants before that special something HOPEFULLY comes along. How would you feel as soon as you released some, every commercial nursery and piles of hobbiest massed produced them and basically you lost the well earned income from your efforts?? Royal red and Red dragon do not look the same, although they are similar. Also bear in mind that Royal red was developed and registered several years or so before Red dragon existed.

Tony
 

nepenthes gracilis

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Ohh I never knew that. I was just saying it was kind of a stupid idea that a plant is patented. Usually patents are on everyday items such as lawn mowers and computers and even little kids toys. That's all I was saying and No I wouldn't want all of my money going down the drain and out of my pocket if I created a new CP. I just may do some research and do that! Think of this a VFT and a Sundew. I would name it Drosera Musipula. :biggrin:
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Think of that! A really effective bug catcher! Nep.G.
 

RamPuppy

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NG< talk to us after youv'e got your degree in advanced genetics!

Tony, My problem with patenting a plant is pretty simple, I am not in this hobby to make a butt load of money, I grow CP's because I love them, and I give most of my excess away to people just starting up, and people who help me in return...

Now, I do understand these guys made an investment, good for them, but I'' tell you what, when I buy something it's mine, and if it comes with the abilitiy to reproduce itself, and I feel like selling, then I guess I will just charge whoever buys it for the water, soil, and air and TIME of MINE that went into it...

I understand great people  like you and phil and jeff make a living in this as an Industry, and I think that's great... I don't know.. there are hundreds if not thousands of cultivars registered out there that don't have patents applied to them, people love the hobby, and love to share their creations, the patent makes me think the only reason the plant was created was to make money... and that just doesn't sit with me well...

And I do draw a distinction between people like you and the petflytrap guys, and the people who patented this plant, don't get me wrong, I am not against commercial gain, I just question the motives of the creators of this plant in this instance...

(Edited by RamPuppy at 10:30 pm on Nov. 6, 2001)
 
Nep G i would just like to say i am sorry for having a go at you before. It was all my fault you didn't do anything...you see that day i went shopping and i saw 26 dead flytraps on the clearance shelf and i checked them and their rhyzomes were all mushy and smelly and then i read somewhere in one of your posts that you take pitcher plants and sphagum from a natural bog and i just got a bit ticked off-i mean i over reacted. Because you said you were going to have a nursury and sell cp's right,well i guess then when you are producing cp's in mass production you can put back the cp's you took from the bog. I was thinking and i think it would be really awsome if you had your bog so it was like out the front of your cp store-so customers could walk past the bog and see all these pitcher plants growing in a natural bog before they enter your cp nursury-i mean it would be fantastic! No other cp store in the world would have anything like that-i think you have potential as a cp grower cause you ask a lot of questions,and not supid ones like me but really though provoking ones. I was wondering if i would beable to post you a rrvft?
 

nepenthes gracilis

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Mondo,I am still wondering are you still angry with me? i am willing to make a truce of peace if you are. Anyways respond back to me on that. now what do you mean by posting me a Royal Red? I have only took two S.Purpureaspp.Pureas from my bog. The sphagnum really dosn't matter since I take it in small quantities. The spot I took out a few weeks ago has already almost filled up again with new Spagnum. So Yes I do care about the bog. I would never ever try to de-plant and de-Spagnum moss it. Thanks Nep.G.
 
Of course i'm not mad at you,i want a truce too although i think it's weather or not you will accept a truce from me or not-i don't think i deserve it the way i carried on. Well maybe when i save up a lot of money i would like to send you a rrvft -perhaps we can organise a trade,or do you think it would rot because it will take weeks to get to you. Although i probably won't beable to send you one anytime soon-perhaps in like 2 years so i don't think i should make any promises yet. The only problem really is the fact that i will get the plant through mail order-and it will be stressed from being in a box for like a week and then i will send it to you and it will be in a box for weeks-i'm not sure how it would survive all that stress...
 

nepenthes gracilis

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Yes you deserve a truce. Don't talk like yourself that way! You don't derserve it you say. Don't put yourself down like that! That would be awesome to get a Royal Red from you! However it would be a little bit harsh on the plant. That will be up to you though. It probably would cost a sensible price,but I don't know oversea shipping. For god's sake were all meat-eating plant growers! Thanks Nep.G.
 
Hey this is for everyone interested in wanting a rrvft. I just found out that triffid park sells rrvfts in tubes-like they are made through tissue culture and are sold in their sterile containers-all you need to do is harden them off and plant them in soil but this takes like 6 weeks. But the main thing is seeming they are sold in their containers like this it doesn't matter if it takes 2-3 weeks for the plant to get to you because they are grown under almost all shade and the container keeps in the humidity....go to http://www.triffidpark.com.au and read all about it:)
 
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