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Rbjong

  • #21
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Quote[/b] (rbjong @ Nov. 01 2005,7:03)]well, i share the same points as most of you.The conservation dept should move in before anyone else allowed.That mean collecting and replanting rare and endemic plants,same goes to wild orchids,wild gingers,etc...The Lanjak-Entimau,newly created national park was a fine example where only scientist and specialist are allowed in.
I agree on that part why dont these people get in there and take the plants and re transplant them somewhere where they will be safe and protected. Or atleast let some people take cuttings so that incase this plant or others do become ex. atleast somewhere in this world they will be growing and safe and can always be transplanted back into a area to repopulate it in the wild where it belongs..

Thats the whole thing half of whats protected on this earth really isnt when it comes to land clearing and or development. That including plants, wildlife, ect.ect.
 
  • #22
All for money dudes, all for money...
 
  • #23
Hmm. Can you camp there? Set up a tent? Seems to me if you were just an ignorant camper "clearing a space" for your tent, no one would even care. Or perhaps "cutting a trail" to get through the forest??? Sounds just like clearing a place for a firestation to me..... I guess the last option would be, to be there when they break ground, and offer to give them a hand with those dang vines in the way....
Too bad you don't live in america, you could just say there may be oil there, and the area needs to be torn up and drilled in immediately to protect your economy, and national security... LOL!
Sorry guys, I could'nt help it.
 
  • #24
The listserve are a bunch of crybabies, I'm subscribed to it, but rarely post.
 
  • #25
First off, nepenthes are CITES protected plants. This means that they cannot be collected sometimes even with a permit. These laws are totally screwed up (I agree), but remember it is Robert that has his neck on the line. The ethical thing to do is to save the form. But based on the laws of CITES (in need of an extreme make over) this is not possible. The laws of CITES doesn't protect the species from extinction. All it does is prevent illegal trade in endangered species. What is excluded from CITES are seed propagates. This means that seed can be collected without a permit of any kind. This of course is also true if local laws is also lenient on this as well. But seed can be collected and traded. Seed origin plants does not necessarily breed true and this form may be lost altogether.
This is just another example of how CITES has failed the rare species from extinction. All CITES is based upon is to protect a plant from being collected, sold-traded and exported. It does NOTHING in saving a plant. No where on the purpose of CITES does it state the protection of species. This protection should be something we growers/collectors/conservationists come together and work into our governments to create a branch where in such an event as destruction due to human habitation-development collection overrides dectruction.

You mostly hear of this sort of halting of development when it comes to animal well beaing (dolphins, sea turtles, migratory birds, etc.) but never for plants, even though it is fact that many of our next cures all come friom the rainforest and the rate of destruction is hectares per hour.

Michael
 
  • #26
Very well said Michael...Robert
 
  • #27
CITES does not prevent Robert from taking cuttings of the selected plant and establishing these cuttings to be given to other Nepenthes growers in Sarawak. This way the form is preserved in cultivation, if not in nature. CITES does prevent Robert from selling or trading the cuttings on the international market---actually all the species we are dealing with here are on CITES Appendix II, and proper paperwork to export the plants is not difficult to aquire. It just requires following the rules and filling out the forms. I would think the local Sarawak laws to much more difficult to deal with than CITES. CITES allows Robert to trade in collected seed, but Sarawak does not.
 
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