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Rbjong

I came across this rafflesiana with spotted red which i have not seen before,but excuse me if it is common to growers.The forest is heath type(kerangas) and have never been visited by human.Only recently the place was surveyed,trees,bushes were cut for a trek,and land pegs was inserted.Soon will see some activities(heard police dept and fire station to be built).Soon the neps will be gone...sad

Condition of the land-sandy sub-soil with dead leaves and tree debris on top.I also observed most pitcher plants with here are mirabilis,gracilis but in greater nos. are ampullaria(red/yellow peristome, green forms, green/red dots),rafflesiana red speckled,green forms,green with dark red speckles and hookeriana.

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...Robert
 
Oh Robert, that is a fine, fine, specimen. Thanks you for snapping that shot. Wait until Trent and the other lowland fiends see that!

Cheers,

Joe
 
ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. What fine raffs!
I get a sick feeling in my stomach when I hear what is to be their fate.
Can the vines be cut and used for cuttings? Is that legal in Sarawak? At least the local Nepenthes growers can save it by propagating it in their collections.
 
If the plants will be soon destroyed, I think you can usualy get permits to collect, if need be. If you do collect them, you should probably send the plants to some good, reputable cp nurseries. Just my thoughts. I wouldn't mind a cut of that red raff though, it's absolutely outstanding
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That rafflesiana is definitely worthy of a place in cultivation. Thanks for sharing, rbjong!

Cheers
 
WOW!! Absolutely beautiful plants, and yup thats a real shame and very sad to know whats gona happen to them..
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wow,
that is beautiful, I just love the peristome neck! I think collecting lowland species like mirabilis, gracilis, rafflesiana, and commoner ampullarias is not illegal. Unless it is WITHIN a park... right? Because plants like gracilis are very wild.
Thanks for wonderful pics
 
Hi all thanks for the reply. Nepenthes is a totally protected plant here.The law is very clear .It is prohibited to collect ,sell and plant neps,and it covers parks and areas outside park boundaries. But that doesn't prevent growers to collect and plant as hobby. Collect and planting need special permit and there is only one here,and that is MT. We do have the Forest Dept of Conservation but how do they manage a purported area containing rare plants for development.If Mr Chien Lee read this perhaps he could shed some lights as he was in direct contact with the Forest dept...Robert
 
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If they are protected then whats the point of protection if they are going to demolish that area anyways?
 
  • #11
Ditto the above. Honestly some people/authorities...
 
  • #12
This is very much the same situation that goes on with Sarracenia in Florida. It's illegal to collect them, but fine for a bulldozer to plow over an entire field of Sarrs. .
 
  • #13
A little off topic- Robert, did you ever get a positive id on the Paphiopedilum? If it truly came from Mulu, it is most likely a P. sanderianum.
 
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I'm not saying you should do this at all, but personally, if I saw some rare, unique plants that were needlessly fascing destruction, I wouldn't much hesitate to save a few. Even if I keep them or not...atleast they don't all have to die. I don't like it when laws controdict themselves.
 
  • #15
Laws are contradictions most of the time, because there are simply too many of them! I would go make some cuttings, screw it.
 
  • #16
[b said:
Quote[/b] (lol @ Nov. 01 2005,3:08)]I'm not saying you should do this at all, but personally, if I saw some rare, unique plants that were needlessly facing destruction, I wouldn't much hesitate to save a few.  Even if I keep them or not...atleast they don't all have to die.  I don't like it when laws controdict themselves.
It's nice to see we all agree, for the most part.
For those who have been around for a while, and do the list serve also, might remember when Ivan Snyder collected a Sarracenia purpurea form(burkii, I think-S. rosea to some) from a area that was going to get demolished, and some people just let into him for that.
Dustin brought up a point: Is taking cuttings as bad as digging up a whole plant?
Did you say Malesiana Tropicals can collect this plant, or did I misunderstand? If that is the case, that would not be the worse alternative if the other option is destruction...

Cheers,

Joe
 
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Yea, seriously, Taking the whole plant and takin a piece of it is like a completely dif story. I think the laws should be ammended to atleast allow you to take portions of plants facing destruction from land development. I mean, the plants will still be there and will keep growing, until the bulldowser comes.
 
  • #18
well, i share the same points as most of you.The conservation dept should move in before anyone else allowed.That mean collecting and replanting rare and endemic plants,same goes to wild orchids,wild gingers,etc...The Lanjak-Entimau,newly created national park was a fine example where only scientist and specialist are allowed in.

I find the situation rather confused - i saw a nursery,among many others,and the only one selling neps.The lady told me it is ok to grow as long as i dont bring them out of the country.

Thanks Trent,the orchid indeed is p.sanderianum.Identified by rhe Forest dept orchid officer.
 
  • #19
I would look into the possibility of taking cuttings, not only of those fine raffs, but other outstanding wild cultivars of hookeriana ampullaria mirabilis gracilis. My personal attitude is very much like Dustin's, and as Joe mentioned, I remember the huge admonishing Ivan took. Uncalled for in my opinion. Also, many of those "list serve" people need to "get a life" or have a serious reality check. I also sense enormous petty jealousies running around there, and a lot of erudite attitudes. Sorry to be so editorial here, it's normally not my style.
 
  • #20
Fantastic looking raff,lets hope they see sence and forget the project and turn the whole area in to a nepenthes trail,wishfull thinking i guess,they need saving for sure
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Bye for now Julian
 
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