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Seed grown N.hamata ? I think not !

I bought this as a "seed grown 07" Nepenthes hamata. B.S. !! If this a seed grown plant, I apparently need to learn a little more about the root systems and growing habits of Nepenthes ! I never would have bought it for what I paid knowing it was a cutting ! Give me some educated opinions here before I spazz on this guy.

Here you can clearly see this is the cut end of a tendril.
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Here's the north end of the same cutting !
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These next 2 pics show what looks to me like new growth sprouting from a cutting, tell me I'm wrong.
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<a href="http://s1109.photobucket.com/albums/h434/Nepenthes138/?action=view&current=seedgrownnot004.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h434/Nepenthes138/seedgrownnot004.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

I really hope I'm wrong here.
 
The original plant might have been a seedgrown plant, and not a BE/AW clone? Maybe the original growth tip died on it and it sprouted from the side of the vine to regrow?
 
It's a cutting......but it could be a cutting of one of the larger seedgrowns.
 
It could be a cutting of a seedgrown plant.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Exo.
 
It was sold to me as "seed grown 07" !!!!!!!!!! Not "cutting of a seed grown"!
 
If you didn't pay an extravagant amount for it, then I'd say it's still an alright deal. Question the seller as well.

It looks large and fairly healthy, so I wouldn't be too mad as long as you weren't ripped off money-wise. Then it's time to get mad.
 
It was sold to me as "seed grown 07" !!!!!!!!!! Not "cutting of a seed grown"!

Well...it's possible the main growth died and it resprouted.....so it may not be a cutting....hard to say....
 
I paid about $100.00 more than I would pay for a cutting of that size ! I honestly would never have even bought it if were advertised as a cutting.
 
Usually when plants are given serial numbers, it means the grower has been propagating it and distributing clones. I can understand you being upset that it's not what you expected. However, I don't think it's really anything to fret over, unless you paid a premium for it on the basis that it would be unique and you would have exclusive access to propagating it.
~Joe

PS - Er, OK, you might be a little more justified in your indignance. Still, it's a step up from just having a common clone from one of the major distributors.
 
  • #10
It appears to be a cutting to me. I'm not well versed in what seed grown root-wads look like, but I would imagine that they would not look like that. Also, the growth tip being chopped really points to it being a cutting.

I would question the seller heavily.
 
  • #11
I paid about $100.00 more than I would pay for a cutting of that size ! I honestly would never have even bought it if were advertised as a cutting.

#1: It's a hamata that might be seed-grown. It's not going to be cheap.
#2: It has roots. ;)
 
  • #13
#1: It's a hamata that might be seed-grown. It's not going to be cheap.
#2: It has roots. ;)

Regardless, I consider it dishonest advertising to not inform customers that what they are bidding on is actually a cutting of a seed grown plant.

#1: It was advertised as seed-grown, but could be and looks very much like a rooted cutting.

#2: A plant with roots, sadly, should not be a measure of its worth unless it is stated that the plant is an unrooted cutting.

I mean, really, N. edwardsiana from AW could actually be tissue cultures of a cutting from a seed-grown plant.

Calling them seed-grown would be dishonest.
 
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  • #14
Hard to say. It could be a seed grown plant. One of my Seed grown Dubias that I grow had its main growth tip die and it sprouted a new growth tip and is finally growing well and looks similar to that of your plant in the pics.

Lets hope for the best my good friend.
 
  • #15
Regardless, I consider it dishonest advertising to not inform customers that what they are bidding on is actually a cutting of a seed grown plant.

#1: It was advertised as seed-grown, but could be and looks very much like a rooted cutting.

#2: A plant with roots, sadly, should not be a measure of its worth unless it is stated that the plant is an unrooted cutting.

I mean, really, N. edwardsiana from AW are really just tissue cultures of a cutting from a seed-grown plant.

Calling them seed-grown would be dishonest.

There goes optimism.

I'm not saying that what the seller did was good, and until we hear word on what the seller says, we can only speculate. Until then, I think that just looking up and seeing a bright side is really all that's left unless he's willing to accept a refund for the plant.

Either way, I'm interested in seeing how this plays out.
 
  • #16
Look at the bottom of the plant. It's flat ! You can see the cut !
 
  • #17
There goes optimism.

I'm not saying that what the seller did was good, and until we hear word on what the seller says, we can only speculate. Until then, I think that just looking up and seeing a bright side is really all that's left unless he's willing to accept a refund for the plant.

Either way, I'm interested in seeing how this plays out.

Ahaha sorry!

But, agreed.
 
  • #18
Look at the bottom of the plant. It's flat ! You can see the cut !

Ah, now I see what your talking about. Was hard to see at first. That definitely looks like a cutting rather than a SG plant. Lets hope that it even came from a mature SG Hamata and not some TC clone.
I mean, if it ends up a female, that would be awesome.
 
  • #19
It looks like a cutting to me too, but like people have mentioned, this cutting could be genetically different from other N. hamata's, which is still a good thing. But maybe you should ask for a discount as the way it was advertised was misleading.
 
  • #20
Maybe the 07 is refering to the year it was planted. 2007, in 5 years you could end up with a cutting of a seed grown plant ???
 
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