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  1. #185
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    Part 2
    N. (Viking x rafflesiana) x ventricosa "red" Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. (Viking x rafflesiana) x ventricosa "red" Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. (Viking x rafflesiana) x ventricosa "red" Clone B by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. (Viking x rafflesiana) x ventricosa "red" Clone B by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. x hookeriana "Sajingan" Clone B by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. maxima "dark" x 'Effulgent Koto' by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. ("thorelii" x campanulata) x platychila by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. maxima 'Lake Poso' x "Rebecca Soper" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. 'Rokko' x ("thorelii" x aristolochioides) Clone D by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. 'Rokko' x ("thorelii" x aristolochioides) Clone B by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. 'Rokko' x ("thorelii" x aristolochioides) Clone C by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. 'Rokko' x ("thorelii" x aristolochioides) Clone E by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Actually starting to see stripes on this one finally
    N. maxima "miniature" x 'Miranda' by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    And by now I would have thought this vine would have bloomed with how long it is...but these pitchers are good too
    N. burkei by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Clone A here was moved up to its own pot, hoping to see big pitchers soon
    N. ventricosa x tiveyi Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Also gives B and C (here) more room
    N. ventricosa x tiveyi Clone C by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    This one still reigns in size though
    N. ventricosa x tiveyi Clone D by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    One of my current favorite hybrids, someone claimed it took too much of splendiana but, personally I think it takes mostly from vogelii. Compare for yourself with the species below it
    N. x splendiana x vogelii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. x splendiana x vogelii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. x splendiana x vogelii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. x splendiana x vogelii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    The pure vogel
    N. vogelii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. vogelii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. vogelii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. vogelii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    pectinata had to be upsized again, and the tendrils still splay everywhere...
    N. pectinata SG by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Dying to see this thing mature already!
    N. 'Rokko' Exotica x (spectabilis x mira) by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    And this one
    N. glabrata x maxima "Central Sulawesi" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Every new pitcher on platy x rob has a bigger and bigger peristome; wish it had retained more color though
    N. platychila x robcantleyi by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. platychila x robcantleyi by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    My highland jewel, gaining size again with the cool winter temps
    N. lingulata "variegated" Barumun by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. lingulata "variegated" Barumun by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. jamban "Barumun" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. izumiae "Pasaman" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. izumiae "Pasaman" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. 'Helen' x spectabilis Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. 'Helen' x spectabilis Clone B by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Biggest and darkest, a rare combo...
    N. ventricosa x talangensis by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    While Clone B (while second largest) is the opposite end of the spectrum color-wise (in other words, so far none)
    N. ventricosa x talangensis by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Atten's doing decent though
    N. attenboroughii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. "ventricosa" Madja-as by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. "ventricosa" Madja-as by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    This beast is almost too big for its pot again, and outgrowing the space allotted for it currently :P
    N. rajah x jacquelineae by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. rajah x jacquelineae by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    And finally, this petite female is not only settling in for once, but it popped a pitcher
    N. lowii x campanulata by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
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    Your talangesis x maxima is very nice. How long did it take to get to that size? I have a small one right now.

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    I believe I got the seeds only a couple years ago...that was the one that survived (and now has 3 vines).
    Everything has a reason, whether big or small. Never underestimate the power of what is or is not.
    There is far more to everything than meets the eye.
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    March update; lots of photos, beware...
    N. ventricosa x gymnamphora by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. ventricosa x gymnamphora by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. Black Dragon by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. Black Dragon by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. maxima "dark" OP Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. (spathulata x campanulata) x ventricosa "red" Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. (spathulata x campanulata) x ventricosa "red" Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. rafflesiana alata "spotted parent" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. rafflesiana alata "spotted parent" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. rafflesiana alata "spotted parent" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Everybody loves dark raffs
    N. rafflesiana "dark brown parent" Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. rafflesiana "dark brown parent" Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. rafflesiana var. alata "Nivea parent" Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. truncata Lowland SG by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. truncata Lowland SG by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. "beccariana" Paigaran Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. "beccariana red" Paigaran Clone B by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. maxima x spectabilis by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. x hookeriana "winged tendril" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. gracilis "nigro parent" Singkawang by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. gracilis "Bukit Barisan" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. longifolia "dark" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. 'Gentle' by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. 'Gentle' by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    This guy may son actually deserve the "giant" label
    N. sumatrana "Giant, Nias" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. sumatrana "Giant, Nias" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. sumatrana "Giant, Nias" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. graciliflora "pink" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Hoping for a flower soon on this khasiana; uppers are nice though
    N. khasiana by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. khasiana by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. copelandii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. mirabilis "Sajingan" Clone D by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. ventricosa "fat lip" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N maxima x talangensis by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Toothiness
    N. burkei x hamata by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. burkei x hamata by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. burkei x hamata by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. burkei x hamata by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Before...
    N. burkei x hamata by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    And after aging
    N. burkei x hamata by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr

    Part 2 following shortly
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    March update part 2
    N. maxima BE-3067 by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. maxima BE-3067 by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    I love this peristome
    N. maxima BE-3067 by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. Viking by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. Viking by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. (Viking x rafflesiana) x ventricosa "red" Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. (Viking x rafflesiana) x ventricosa "red" Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. (Viking x rafflesiana) x ventricosa "red" Clone B by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. (Viking x rafflesiana) x ventricosa "red" Clone C by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    This guy is needing to be sold; taking up more room than I have at the moment
    N. Sunset Songs Clone D by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Never getting rid of fatty though
    N. Sunset Songs Clone C by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. Sunset Songs Clone C by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Or this beauty
    N. Sunset Songs Clone B by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Or the female
    N. Sunset Songs Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. maxima "dark" x 'Effulgent Koto' Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Believe I got the seeds for this cross on the forum here
    N. ("thorelii" x campanulata) x platychila Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. 'Rokko' x ("thorelii" x aristolochioides) Clone D by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. BE sp. 1 by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. 'Rokko' Exotica x (spectabilis x mira) by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Biggest burkei pitcher yet
    N. burkei by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. burkei by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. burkei by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Lovely peristome
    N. burkei by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. ventricosa x tiveyi Clone B by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. ventricosa x tiveyi Clone C by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. ventricosa x tiveyi Clone F by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Skinny...
    N. x splendiana x tiveyi by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    And fattay!
    N. 'Rokko' x ("thorelii" x aristolochioides) Clone C by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Also tubby; biggest pectinata pitcher yet
    N. pectinata SG by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. pectinata SG by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Teeth...
    N. pectinata SG by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Still waiting for new pitchers, but this monster's getting huge
    N. burbidgeae x robcantleyi by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    An this little one already has stripes!
    N. (lowii x talangensis) x vogelii Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    This plant definitely has more in common with burkei than ventricosa at this stage
    N. "ventricosa" Madja-as by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. "ventricosa" Madja-as by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. 'Helen' x spectabilis Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    1st successful highland rooted cuttings!
    N. glabrata BE-3257 by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    And a pitcher to compare
    N. glabrata BE-3257 by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. ventricosa x talangensis Clone by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. ventricosa x talangensis Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. maxima "miniature" Palu Clone by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. maxima "miniature" Palu Clone C by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    And last but not least, the 2 newest and largest vogelii pitchers
    N. vogelii9818 by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. vogelii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. vogelii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. vogelii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. vogelii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Everything has a reason, whether big or small. Never underestimate the power of what is or is not.
    There is far more to everything than meets the eye.
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    Requiring 3 uploads this month, a lot of stuff taking off
    N. ventricosa x gymnamphora by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. ventricosa x gymnamphora by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. 'Autumn Wine' by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. 'Autumn Wine' by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. (spathulata x campanulata) x ventricosa "red" Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. (spathulata x campanulata) x ventricosa "red" Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Love this cross' shape
    N. (spathulata x campanulata) x ventricosa "red" Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. (spathulata x campanulata) x ventricosa "red" Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. rafflesiana alata "spotted parent" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. rafflesiana alata "spotted parent" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. rafflesiana "nivea parent" var. alata by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    This one's starting to look more like another sumatrana form...
    N. "beccariana red" Paigaran Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. "beccariana red" Paigaran Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. "beccariana red" Paigaran Clone B by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. "beccariana red" Paigaran Clone C by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. boschiana BE-3448 by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. maxima x spectabilis by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. maxima x spectabilis by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Closest to an ampullaria intermediate I've ever seen
    N. ampullaria "Green, Sintang" SG by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. ampullaria "Green, Sintang" SG by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. ampullaria "Green, Sintang" SG by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. ampullaria "red speckle" SG by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    aerial basals are massive on 'Harlequin'
    N. ampullaria 'Harlequin' by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. maxima "Central Sulawesi" SG by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. maxima "Central Sulawesi" SG by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. graciliflora "pink," N. 'Gentle' by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Finally managed an upper on this guy instead of another aborting vine
    N. 'Gentle' by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. 'Gentle' by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. longifolia "dark" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. gracilis "red, Bukit Barisan" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Largest gracilis pitcher yet at 4.5"
    N. gracilis "red, Bukit Barisan" Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. gracilis "red, Bukit Barisan" Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Meanwhile the dorky sibling pitcher decided to grow funky under a vine
    N. gracilis "red, Bukit Barisan" Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N gracilis "nigropurpurea" Singkawang by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    The Singkawang Gang
    N. gracilis "Singkawang" Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. gracilis "Singkawang" Clone B by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. gracilis "Singkawang" Clone C by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. gracilis "Singkawang" Clone D by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. gracilis "Singkawang" Clone E by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    And their special sibling
    N. gracilis "Shadow" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. gracilis "Shadow" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr

    To be continued...
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    The "other sumatrana"
    N. sumatrana "Giant, Nias" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. sumatrana "Giant, Nias" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. sumatrana "Giant, Nias" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. BE sp. 1 by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. copelandii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. copelandii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. copelandii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. mirabilis "Sajingan" Clone D by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. mirabilis Sajingan Clone B by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. mirabilis Sajingan Clone B by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. mirabilis Sajingan Clone B by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. ventricosa "fat lip" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    New arrival, rounding out the sumatrana relatives
    N. eustachya by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. maxima x talangensis by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. maxima x talangensis by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. maxima x talangensis by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. burkei x hamata by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. burkei x hamata by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. burkei x hamata by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. maxima BE-3067 by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. maxima BE-3067 by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. viking: the upper transition
    N. Viking by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. Viking by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. Viking by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. Viking by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. (Viking x rafflesiana) x ventricosa "red" Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. (Viking x rafflesiana) x ventricosa "red" Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. (Viking x rafflesiana) x ventricosa "red" Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. (Viking x rafflesiana) x ventricosa "red" Clone B by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. (Viking x rafflesiana) x ventricosa "red" Clone B by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. (Viking x rafflesiana) x ventricosa "red" Clone C by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    The Song I'm selling
    N. Sunset Songs by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    And some of the ones I'm not
    N. Sunset Songs Clone C by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. Sunset Songs Clone C by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. Sunset Songs Clone C by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. Sunset Songs Clone B by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. Sunset Songs Clone B by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. 'Rokko' x ("thorelii" x aristolochioides) Clone B by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    First uppers in this cross; I love the look
    N. 'Rokko' x ("thorelii" x aristolochioides) Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. 'Rokko' x ("thorelii" x aristolochioides) Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. 'Rokko' x ("thorelii" x aristolochioides) Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    And some small plants still gaining size on the top shelf
    N. 'Rokko' Exotica x mixta Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. ("thorelii" x campanulata) x platychila by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. maxima 'Lake Poso' x "Rebecca Soper" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. maxima 'Lake Poso' x "Rebecca Soper" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. maxima 'Lake Poso' x "Rebecca Soper" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. maxima 'Lake Poso' x "Rebecca Soper" by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr

    To be continued...
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    Two largest burkei pitchers yet
    N. burkei by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. burkei by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Clone D still the largest of the batch
    N. ventricosa x tiveyi Clone D by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. ventricosa x tiveyi Clone D by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. ventricosa x tiveyi Clone D by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Still waiting on these two to shine though
    N. ventricosa x tiveyi Clone E by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. ventricosa x tiveyi Clone F by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. bellii x robcantleyi by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. bellii x robcantleyi by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. bellii x robcantleyi by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. bellii x robcantleyi by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. x splendiana x vogelii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. x splendiana x vogelii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. x splendiana x vogelii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. khasiana by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. khasiana by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. khasiana by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. talangensis x robcantleyi by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. talangensis x robcantleyi by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. platychila x robcantleyi by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. platychila x robcantleyi by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. platychila x robcantleyi by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. platychila x robcantleyi by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    8" truncata pitcher
    N. truncata Lowland SG by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. truncata Lowland SG by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Color keeps darkening until the peristome is solid copper
    N. truncata Lowland SG by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. x splendiana x tiveyi by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. x splendiana x tiveyi by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. x splendiana x tiveyi by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. lingulata "variegated" Barumun by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. lingulata "variegated" Barumun by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. jamban Barumun by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. izumiae Pasaman, Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. izumiae Pasaman, Clone B by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. glabrata BE-3257 by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. glabrata BE-3257 by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. attenboroughii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Still amazed this one is black, and the next largest is pure green
    N. ventricosa x talangensis Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. ventricosa x talangensis Clone A by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. vogelii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. vogelii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. vogelii by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Finally managed to bring this one back from the brink, and got a decent pitcher off the female lowii x campy
    N. lowii x campanulata by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    N. lowii x campanulata by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    And finally, the peppermint stage of burb x robc (currently bubblegum, soon to be black cherry)
    N. burbidgeae x robcantleyi by Hawken Carlton, on Flickr
    Everything has a reason, whether big or small. Never underestimate the power of what is or is not.
    There is far more to everything than meets the eye.
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