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    Snowy falcon,
    "Who are you to interpret God's account of Genesis into a poem of Sabbath? Where does it say this in the Bible? "

    It does pay to do some kind of theological training course..
    Basically the Bible and I am sure you know is written in very different styles; letters, prophesy, history, poetry etc. A lot does contain picture language like used expressively in John's book of revelation and also the Genesis account. The first chapter rhymes in its original language..

    Like I mentioned earlier, reading the bible on its own without consultation with commentaries or considering the context the Bible was written can lead to all kinds of opinions...

    Have a look at this website: http://www.workshop.org.uk/

    Also read that Christian book by Alan Hayward "Creation & Evolution, the facts and the fallacies"



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    There are different styles, because they are written by different writers. Genesis is mostly a history of the early Jews, (Abraham, Isaac). Where does it say that, " You can separate the first 2 chapters of Genesis from the rest of the book and interpret it differently than the next 48." I do not read Hebrew, so I would have no idea if the original language rhymed. Could it be that God was trying to get a pattern across and was drilling it into our brains?

    "He made (insert object) and that was the (insert number) day and He saw that it was good."

    Does it still have a literal interpretation to me? Yes. Even if there are other things you can glean from the text of the Bible, doesn't mean that Genesis 1-2 is a poem. Could it have other things such as a command to observe the Sabbath in it as well? Yes. But the main thrust of this passage is God's creative act.

    You mentioned prophesy. Hasn't all prophesy come true? So wouldn't it make since to say that everything in the Bible whether past or future is true?

    Now, I'm not a Bible scholar, but it seems to me that Genesis is a fact.

    SF

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    (SnowyFalcon @ July 25 2003,12:4[img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/alien.gif[/img]*Now, I'm not a Bible scholar, but it seems to me that Genesis is a fact.

    SF

    Excellent!! *[img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]

    when you say "it seems to me that Genesis is a fact,
    I have NO PROBLEM with that at all!!
    you can think Genesis is a fact all you want, and no one should ever have with a problem with that at all..

    thats SO much better than saying "genesis IS a fact"!
    which invites all kinds of arguement..
    see the difference? *[img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img] *[img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]

    In my opinion, Genesis is a story, a fable, a myth.
    It seems to me that the fossil record of the Earth totally, 100% disproves Genesis.

    and life goes on.. [img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

    Scot
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    I was inferring (sp?) that others (obviously) have different opinions. I would rephrase my beliefs to....According to the Bible the truth =Genesis is a fact. Go look at the giants of the Christian faith, Martin Luther, John Calvin, etc. They are (or were) of one accord. The Bible is God's word, and everything in it is true. If God said, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." Then that is what happened. They did not need or want to interpret it so that it fit with the world's theories (ie evolution). They took what God said at face value and believed it. I will follow in their footsteps, of belief in God, in the truth of His word, and in the saving power of Christ's blood.

    SF

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    Scot,

    Are you a Bible scholar?

    SF

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    Lightbulb

    The Bile is a good book, everyone can learn something from it.
    I just don't understand many things in it, especially the Old Testament. I really do think that God has better things to do than mess with people that do not live their lives according to what is written in a black book with really thin pages.

    Sometimes I really worry about people that spend their lives reading the Bible and preaching Christian ethics, (Pat Robertson, Jerry Folwell) for example. They can make it hard for many people to lead comfortable lives free of strife and violence.

    I will follow in the root steps of the great VFT and just enjoy the sun, water, and food. In the end I think it's best to enjoy our time in this life and deal with what comes after when that time comes.

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    (SnowyFalcon @ July 25 2003,1:4[img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/alien.gif[/img]Scot,

    * * *Are you a Bible scholar?

    SF

    not remotely.
    at best, I have skimmed a few lines.
    opened the book maybe 3 times in my life, spent 1 or 2 minutes reading each time.
    never owned a copy, never will.
    does that answer your question?! *[img]http://www.**********.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/img]

    why do you ask?

    (my girlfriend however knows the bible very well)
    She has bought me a few great book about Jesus and his life, from a historical standpoint. (I do believe he existed, I do believe he was A Son of God)
    I however belong to no organized religion, and likely never will.
    to me, all religions are corrupt (not like "corrupt politicians" ..I mean more like distorted, trying to know the truth but failing..)
    I dont God thinks any one religion is "the truth"..
    His true nature is probably far from what any religion believes.
    I do not believe He wrote the Bible.
    To me, the bible was written by humans, in an attempt to understand God..
    I think the Buddhists have the best idea so far, as far as religions go...but I will never be a buddhist either..


    I will look up the names of the books when I get home tonight..they are really interesting!
    Scot
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    Snowy Falcon,
    The Hebrew word for Day in Genesis could mean a period of time or age as in 'in our day etc'. There should be no conflict with the Bible and science.. I have just as much faith in God through our Lord Jesus Christ as you.. and I take God at his word. But please explain to me why you have such a view point and not open to interpretations?
    As to your point about the styles just simply down to different writers, even Genesis had different authors. For example the flood stoory came from Babylonia and the Abraham to Moses leaving Egypt has been attributed to Moses...
    Did you look at the web link or find info on that book I suggested?
    Best Regards

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